We’ve survived two days of CES 2025

Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up everybody, that is Devindra Hardwar, Senior Editor at Engadget.

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Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: We’re right here what is that this, the start of evening considered one of CES formally?

Cherlynn: I assume, yeah. I

Devindra: guess now we have already suffered by principally day minus one. Minus

Cherlynn: one and as we speak’s zero.

Devindra: One factor I need our listeners to grasp is that now we have already seen plenty of issues we sort of know the place the CES is headed. And, I feel this can be a cursed present Cherlynn. How do you are feeling about that? For all of us. For our

Cherlynn: group. Yeah, I feel I imply, Devindra, I will allow you to communicate to your state of affairs, however we have had group members who’ve fallen deathly in poor health.

We’ve additionally, like, individuals who have fully needed to miss their flights, worldwide flights. It has been fairly Engadget group, however now we have a very, actually good group of individuals. Everybody’s received nice attitudes and, like, our spirits are excessive. Okay. You wish to simply get the stuff going. So, yeah, no, and Devindra, you’ve been struggling just a little [00:01:00] bit.

Devindra: So, yeah, replace right here is I principally threw my again out the the day earlier than I needed to fly. So, I sort of was mentally simply making ready the best way to fly with out caring a lot and simply being very easy on my again. However, you recognize, I survived. And

Cherlynn: sitting in a airplane for so long as you probably did could not assist both, proper?

In all probability did not assist.

Devindra: Fortunately I did a sensible factor and I purchased a Consolation Plus improve with my factors forward of time. And I used to be like, I used to be going to be chill on the flight and it turned out that was simply vital. Yeah, so CS is formally starting. We’ve seen we have simply went by CS Unveiled yesterday.

Numerous embargoes and information got here out as we speak too. You recognize, among the greatest information we have seen. Dell’s rebrand away from its personal PC names. To Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. There’s some new {hardware} from Intel and AMD. Yay! that they confirmed off and, you recognize, simply sort of a typical CS stuff. What have been the bizarre belongings you noticed, Cherlynn, at at Unveiled?

Since you have been there amidst all of the bizarre devices.

Cherlynn: Yeah, and to be clear, given Devindra’s [00:02:00] harm, we’re, we’re having Devindra keep in place the place he’s, you recognize, capable of get well just a little bit. So, Devindra wasn’t at Unveiled with me, so I will let you know about all these humorous issues we noticed at Unveiled.

One way or the other probably the most intriguing factor thus far is the pattern of Placing issues in your mouth at CES Unveiled.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Cherlynn: So, now we have like, at the very least two issues which might be saliva detecting units. Uh huh, huh. Or like, you set a drop of saliva otherwise you put your like, a stick in your mouth or one thing. We

Devindra: will not be going to name this the Hawktwa CES, let’s not do this.

Dan

Cherlynn: Cooper undoubtedly not developing with a narrative primarily based round that. However the concept is that utilizing your saliva. Firms can inform how a lot cortisol or different varieties like progesterone kinds of issues, hormones are inside your Or in you, proper? And so it’s kind of to assist with burnout a bit to assist with like stress and well being after which there’s It is the salt spoon that everybody was licking at CES on day one.

That

Devindra: would not look like an excellent [00:03:00] concept at a, at a convention. It

Cherlynn: was so, yeah, everybody’s felt prefer it was, initially it appeared just a little icky, however the sales space was so crowded I went over and it seems they really had like particular person disposable variations of this spoon, the salt spoon per its identify. It is a gadget that can mimic or simulate the, the flavour of umami or salt made by an organization referred to as Kirin.

Devindra: Okay.

Cherlynn: Which I consider makes some sort of condiment. That is the,

Devindra: they seem to be a soy sauce firm. Precisely.

Cherlynn: And so, it is the concept like, individuals wish to dwell more healthy, eat higher, and never have such a excessive sodium food regimen. So, however they nonetheless crave this style. We like it. We

Devindra: love umami. Precisely. Why do not

Cherlynn: we, why do not we use electrical in your tongue?

Devindra: That’s some dystopian, I hope the story about that is the way it’s made. That may be very dystopian. That is very like, you recognize, Soylent Inexperienced or one thing the place we’re probably not consuming meals, however we’re feeling these form of like electrical impulses of meals.

Cherlynn: Triggering your tongue to really feel prefer it’s tasting one thing.

Simply to really feel alive. That is horrible. I do know. I, it is, it is, you requested me bizarre. And I used to be like, yeah, that [00:04:00] is fairly horrifying. However I am very intrigued. I virtually, so I used to be sort of ready in line, but it surely was so crowded all the time. And I had a lot different stuff to take a look at that, I did not actually get round to it.

There have been different issues, I feel, that turned up that, as unveiled, that have been very attention-grabbing. Our group noticed a stringless guitar. There have been, like, a few zillion robots that each one sort of look very bizarre. After which, plenty of mirrors that you may, like, stand in entrance of and scan your self. And, lastly, I feel, the Stern Pinball Machine of the Yr is themed Dungeons Dragons.

Okay.

Devindra: Actually, simply actually hitting the nerd market completely. We did see Roborock’s flagship new robotic vacuum and that factor seems cool as a result of they simply added an arm to it. Prefer it has an extendable arm that may choose up socks and small issues from the ground. And I’m actually fascinated by seeing the race between Roomba all these different corporations.

I feel was one of many first to do like, okay, self cleansing. We will dump your vacuum into this greater container than the vacuum [00:05:00] can hold going. Now all people’s doing that. Then Roomba and others individuals began doing like combo mops. And now it is identical to, we’re getting appendages. We’re getting, I feel one can climb stairs.

I noticed information about that.

Cherlynn: So Carissa is on the robotic vacuum for us, I assume. And she or he received an opportunity to take a look at the, yeah, the Roborock I am unable to bear in mind the precise. identify, the way it’s pronounced, Safi or Safu Z70 and it now we have a video on the article on our web site in addition to on our Twitter. It is

Devindra: the Saros Z70, yeah.

Cherlynn: So shut, that was so shut. And yeah, that video exhibits the robotic’s arm sort of popping out of its spherical disc like physique after which choosing up a sock that was in entrance of it. And never solely that, I assumed it might simply choose it up after which like, wipe after which transfer away and put it again down. No, it took it to a basket close by, like a laundry basket virtually, And positioned it in there.

So principally

Devindra: we’re virtually there. We’re virtually there to actual robotic helpers.

Cherlynn: So shut. This factor may be very shut. Who knew Roborock of all corporations would do it. I used to be like,

Devindra: it is a, it is actually attention-grabbing to look at as a result of Roborock, I feel, yeah, it is a [00:06:00] Chinese language firm and these of us, like, particularly once they’re doing robotic stuff, like they’re simply barreling ahead as a result of they’ll make investments extra in R& D and stuff.

I need, I’ve stated this earlier than. I need one thing that may like unload my dishwasher,

Cherlynn: which is the

Devindra: course of that I feel like

Cherlynn: my dishwashing unloading remedy.

Devindra: You recognize load it up clear the kitchen identical to an actual rosy robotic state of affairs. That is what I want

Cherlynn: I imply the opposite robotic vacuum that you just’re speaking about that may climb upstairs.

I consider is the dreamy And yeah, it is attention-grabbing to see or I used to be like why why would we’d like a robotic vacuum that may climb upstairs? However I assume there are precise practical makes use of for the x50 robotic I do not know, man. 1, 700 only for it to, like, climb.

Devindra: I feel this can be a unhealthy concept. This can be a unhealthy concept, as a result of Typically, you need your robotic to be on one flooring.

Yeah! Upon getting stairs within the equation, then, like, it may fall. There may very well be all kinds of points. To me, that is not tremendous helpful. I have been room constructing for some time, and solely lately with two flooring. You choose it up, and you progress it to a different flooring when you’ll want to. In the event you’re tremendous [00:07:00] bougie, you’ve multiple Roomba.

You will have a Roomba port per flooring. Or you’ve

Cherlynn: a budget one on the ground that does not matter as a lot because the costly one within the place that issues. And so they’re

Devindra: low cost Roombas. You possibly can get a refurb Roomba for like 200, 300 bucks.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: Comparatively, that is comparatively low cost in comparison with how a lot they used to price.

Cherlynn: Nicely, this one, I imply, I assume the, the shtick with this dreamy robotic is that it climbs up like a human. So it isn’t like form of propelling itself up in some unusual manner, going up on an incline, getting his rollers. It is like, God, some sort of like climbing mechanic. That is like. Bipedal? Is it bipedal? Is it like

Devindra: I’ve to take a more in-depth look.

The

Cherlynn: video seems like wild and I am in such a CES fever dream that like, I’ve forgotten what it seems like. A lot

Devindra: stuff. One other factor I wish to speak about, the TVs look like, it looks like wi-fi TVs are morbid factor proper now. Like LG and Samsung are totally doing it. All their flagships have wi-fi containers.

They are saying the lag is fairly good for gaming. I must, I must see that to see how a lot it really works. However I do suppose that is an excellent ache level for lots of [00:08:00] individuals. Individuals hate Wires. Transferring behind their TVs. They hate, like, for those who’re mounting a TV, it’s a must to, like, determine the place all of the wires are going to go.

So there’s that that firm Displace, which final yr had the suction TV with the battery, which I feel I referred to as it vaporware final yr. I do not suppose they really shipped any. This yr they’re again. They’ve a soundbar. They are saying they’ll truly ship stuff. I do not consider it. However, they’re again.

They’re right here.

Cherlynn: Is one yr sufficient time to see if the TV that can stick itself to your wall has fallen off but? You recognize what I imply? Like, is it time to name it secure if it hasn’t fallen off in a yr? Or ought to we give it one other yr? I do not know.

Devindra: It is my entire factor about trusting devices and trusting units, I cannot belief it.

Multi thousand greenback gadget that’s simply hanging by my wall by suction cup.

Cherlynn: It is like one factor if it falls off and hurts itself, it is one other if it like takes down my wall with it, proper? Like, and my mattress and my glass desk or one thing. So yeah, there’s plenty of stuff to be involved about, I feel.

Devindra: Boy AIPC continues to be a working theme this yr.

AMD was actually huge on an entire bunch of [00:09:00] new chips. They introduced the Ryzen AI Max chip, which they are saying goes to be in Halo merchandise, Halo Copilot Plus PCs. It is purported to be actually highly effective. It has extra graphics than their different ones. In addition they say it does higher rendering, like 3D rendering, higher than Intel’s chips.

As a result of AMD’s graphics are usually higher. They’ve like in-built Radeon cores. So, you recognize, they’re sort of killing it. Intel was identical to, hey We’ve AI chips too. They’re coming to gaming desktops. They’re coming to different issues.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Devindra: they’ve core PC, core AI laptop computer chips that can be coming to gaming laptops as nicely.

So, that is a factor. You recognize, the advantage of CES is that you may see individuals and speak to individuals. So, I had an excellent chat with Pavan Davaluri, who’s like the top of Home windows and Floor units from Microsoft. That was an off the file chat, however I can say it was good to have. That dialog to see what they’re serious about AI PCs.

Hopefully we’ll have him on for an additional part of the gadget podcast, [00:10:00] however I assume like CS is occurring. Like when information is occurring, these corporations are taking it significantly. We’re speaking to excessive degree individuals. So it seems like a CS of your, I would say, regardless of being so cursed early on,

Speaker 3: I assume,

Devindra: yeah, like stuff, it feels professional and actual in a manner that hasn’t for the previous couple of years.

However I imply, for

Cherlynn: you, possibly two a part of it’s the return to the bodily. Sure. Proper, as a result of it has been some time. And I feel that my normal sense is that curiosity in CES may need waned. I feel this yr too you recognize, we have, we have had totally different observations about exhibits from the latest years and this yr feels much more like it’s one thing you could possibly, it is like commoditizing issues for the sake of commoditizing issues just a little bit and greater than ever truly.

And it is very very similar to the Radio Shack present just a little bit. However you recognize, I’d say, I do not wish to give away what we’re engaged on. So I’d say like, we’re, Come to Engadget. com come to our social media channels the place we have got plenty of movies going up We have truly are bringing again our youtube channel for just a little bit And the dwell weblog we I’m in [00:11:00] dwell weblog hell each day for just a little bit however it’s a enjoyable time as a result of dwell blogs enable me to be a bit extra I feel private with our viewers Which is enjoyable like this podcast However I do wish to shout out wish to your level like amd and intel Each have made their bulletins as of the time.

We’re recording this however We nonetheless do not know technically what NVIDIA goes to announce. And Nvidia has one of many, I wanna say probably the most hyped keynotes or speeches, this CES mm-hmm . What are you pondering that they’re going to do for CES?

Devindra: I imply, for the keynote, they usually hype up their AI tasks or robotics tasks.

And truthfully, issues that we do not usually report information on as a result of it is sort of pie within the sky stuff that can solely exist for a automotive producers or one thing. They do not actually contact customers. We’ll finally hear, most definitely, in regards to the new GeForce RTX GPUs. Perhaps not tonight, however I’ve an excellent sense like someday this week, NVIDIA will make that announcement.

And that’s the factor persons are actually ready to see. And I feel AMD sensed {that a} bit too. They briefly teased some details about the RDNA 4 [00:12:00] GPUs. Yeah, AMD additionally teased their RX 9070 GPUs. And that is attention-grabbing too, simply the identify is attention-grabbing. As a result of you recognize, AMD’s used to observe a completely totally different Radeon naming scheme.

Now they’re sort of aligning with what NVIDIA’s doing. So, this Radeon RX 9070 can be akin to no matter NVIDIA broadcasts as a 5070 video card. Okay. So, it ought to make procuring just a little simpler. So there’s that. The RDNA 4 expertise goes to have AI upscaling, which is a factor we have knocked AMD towards earlier than.

As a result of their constancy impacts a brilliant decision for stuff. However simply could not compete with NVIDIA NVIDIA’s DLSS, so that they’re gonna have a solution to that. However once more, identical to, temporary teases the information submit I wrote is just like the naked minimal we are able to even write as a result of they did not have a lot info.

They’re identical to, yeah, we could have new video playing cards, we could have new

Cherlynn: graphics. Is it claiming a spot,

Devindra: proper? Like, kinda? Yeah. Mainly. Whereas I feel NVIDIA’s gonna come right here and exhibit new {hardware}, new precise issues, so. We will see.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: And I wish to do possibly one or two [00:13:00] extra of those episodes, identical to recapping the place we’re Oh, all through the present?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’re utilizing the DJI mic 2, or mic mini, so we are able to like sit down and file anyplace. Yep. We’re at our breakfast nook proper now. In

Cherlynn: the lodge.

Devindra: Yeah. And possibly you will hear extra ambient noise than regular, but it surely, this can be a actually good solution to have conversations. Yeah, it is quick. We hope to have some interviews from of us up quickly too.

With different

Cherlynn: members of the group. You may hear extra than simply the 2 of us. I feel, I promise you all of them sound wonderful and wonderful. I am making an attempt to think about like, whether or not there’s anything that is of observe within the information that we have seen thus far, as a result of to your level, proper, CES is in full swing, actually. And we have been

Devindra: like, headstabbed.

Similar to, a lot stuff. Sherilyn’s been managing a lot of the like, sensible stuff and the scheduling stuff. Yeah, I’ve had like a pile of embargoes. All of us, like, all of the group

Cherlynn: has had piles of embargoes, which is like, it’s, like, to your level, sort of a return to kind in that sense, but in addition seems like we have been masking this endlessly each CES.

We noticed a couple of I do not know. A lot of AI that [00:14:00] would not actually should be AI. We noticed plenty of pet tech. We noticed plenty of good dwelling. Man, ship us your ideas, actually, as far as we’re chugging alongside the present. Podcast at Engadget. com could be an important place to drop them. Oh my gosh LG’s received all these bizarre merchandise that I feel we talked about even forward of coming to CES.

The place like, sure it is slapdick 2070 inch display on a microwave, however then lately we came upon what, it was a projector that appears like a stand fan or one thing? That is truly

Devindra: sort of cool. Yeah, we gotta get some video of that stuff.

Cherlynn: Yeah, so lots, lots to look out

Devindra: for. Of the tales we have produced, I do wish to shout out the stuff Sam and I did round Dell’s rebranding.

I wrote about Dell rebranding all of its PCs to sound extra like Apple, so try that submit. However Sam had a very good rant referred to as Dell killing the XPS identify is an unforced error. And that entire story is wild as a result of Dell’s principally obliterating all of its model names. They’re simply going to be Dell, Dell Professional and Dell Professional Max.

And to each of us, that sounds very Apple y. Wait, can I insert

Cherlynn: myself just a little bit right here? As a result of it isn’t simply Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. [00:15:00] After I learn each of your posts, it’s the sub tiers that is unnecessary. Like in the event that they simplified it actually, it might simply be Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. Effective. However no, it might be Dell, Dell Professional, after which underneath every, there is perhaps the premium label and the plus label.

So it may very well be the Dell Professional Plus. Yep. However versus the Dell non professional premium. So the Dell premium continues to be worse than the Dell Professional Plus?

Devindra: Sure.

Cherlynn: My goodness. What? And then you definately throw within the numbers. There’s numbers. They’re coming again. Among the numbers

Devindra: are coming again. The desktops are sort of ridiculous as a result of on the occasion Sam and I have been at, they confirmed off The Dell Professional Max Micro and the Dell Professional Max Mini, which you’ve the identical identify inside your identify.

You might be conflicting what this gadget truly is, and I discover that to be fully ridiculous. So, try Sam and my rant about that factor. I additionally did a video up on YouTube, and for as soon as, the YouTube commentators appear to be on our aspect. Sure, they’re proper.

Cherlynn: They’re proper. We’re proper, and Dell [00:16:00] just isn’t proper.

And so I’m glad you pointed it out. It appeared like lots of people resonated with that story on our aspect as nicely. It is an entire

Devindra: factor. And I’ll say I do not miss just like the, I do not miss plenty of the manufacturers like Inspiron and no matter, but it surely’s extra like XPS. Eliminating XPS looks like a mistake. Falling within the footsteps of Apple looks like a very weak transfer.

Cherlynn: Of all of the issues to do as a result of look, I coated HP’s pivot to at least one model as nicely when that occurred final yr. And HP had an excellent sense to only, once they say simplify, they imply. Simplify to their very own model. In order that they did Omnibook, proper? Which isn’t Professional Max. Effective. It is their very own identify. For Dell to let you know that they are not copying Apple, and I am not saying they did say that to you, however like, they roughly advised that these are trade phrases.

They did say that

Speaker 3: to me. However

Cherlynn: like, if HP can achieve this with out invoking the phrases Professional and Max, why cannot you, Dell?

Devindra: That is principally what I requested Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell, at this occasion the place Dell. com. He was there to announce this entire factor and so they have been asking [00:17:00] questions from the viewers. So yeah, I shot my hand up and I used to be like, my direct query to him was, what does Dell have to achieve by copying Apple?

And Michael Dell didn’t look too happy.

Cherlynn: After all he did. He

Devindra: I imply for him too, it is like, oh, now my names are all Dell, Dell, Dell. So it is like higher for him and his ego. Yeah, yeah, his

Cherlynn: identify, yeah, yeah. And I

Devindra: really feel like which may be a part of it, however I’ve talked to lots of people at Dell, like Different individuals, individuals working inside the PC design stuff and no person was enthusiastic about this transformation.

After all

Speaker 3: not, why? As a result of

Devindra: their infants are all gone. Just like the individuals who work on Inspiron and Precision and all the pieces, the manufacturers they dedicate their lives to are gone. And now they need to dwell with these new manufacturers and I do not know if persons are going to be as excited. So anyway, that is going to be a protracted ongoing story.

Try our protection in all of its many varieties. I feel that is going to be one of many huge takeaways from the CS. Del form of, simply capturing itself within the foot right here. And no person appears to love it besides Del, besides Michael Del.

Cherlynn: Yeah. I wish to shortly shout out that the Samsung press convention simply wrapped and we realized two issues of observe.

One, that the [00:18:00] Bali rolling robotic goes to truly retail this yr, they are saying. However they did say that final yr too. After which we do not know a value but. We simply know it should be the primary half of the yr is what they stated on stage. After which the second factor is that they introduced the dates of Galaxy Unpacked.

It is going to occur? January twenty second. So thanks quite a bit, Samsung, as a result of proper after CES, a few of us can be heading straight into preparation for Samsung Galaxy S8. Let

Devindra: Cherlynn take a break. That is the message of this yr. By no means,

Cherlynn: by no means taking place. Alright, we

Devindra: will, we’ll be again with extra updates about CES. Drop us an electronic mail, of us, podcastinggadget.

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Cherlynn: music suggestions! Oh

Devindra: yeah, possibly we must always simply open up a playlist and have individuals add songs to it. Anyway, we’re out of us, thanks.

Cherlynn: Bye!